Alternate Reading: Noah and Ham, Shem and Japheth

by James
(Addison, TX)

I'm not a Holy Bible scholar by any means. Just a guy who rarely believes the establishment and who has questions.

My premise is that there is possibly another story in the Bible, and one of them is that what I understand about Noah and Ham is 'possibly' incorrect.

9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

To me it's strange that we (me, I) are led to believe all the people in the Bible stories are of the utmost character, when the Bible proves most people in the Bible are common fallen man who fall prey to desires of power and greed just as today.

Now in the flood times, my understanding is that YHWH God picked Noah because he was pure in his generations.

Doesn't that mean his wife, then by default his sons, and by default his son's wives were not, or possibly were not?

To me it's just as likely they were better than the sort YHWH God wished to eradicate, but how much better? Where is the basis of these people being Holy unto YHWH God derived?



I also assume Gen 9:24 is about Noah being told of Ham seeing Noah in his nakedness and not Ham having congress with Noah.

Finally my premise.

Ham was set up.

Ham walked into the tent not knowing the state of Noah and went and told his brothers. His brothers saw an opportunity to take advantage of Ham and they cover Noah.

Before thinking I'm out to lunch think about it.

You're part of a family with direct communication with YHWH God. You know birthright and favor play a role in how inheritance is dispensed.

You're on a camping trip, walk in and see your dad naked and passed out drunk in his tent. How were you supposed to know he's all skin?

Wouldn't you be a little embarrassed and go tell your brothers (assumption is you have two). Now if your brothers know the customs of the times and have lust and greed in their hearts and believe they have something to gain is it not possible they take advantage of the situation and make the third brother look bad?

To me this is why in other parts of the Holy Bible that the 2nd son is elevated to the standing of the first. Though I've read that Ham was oldest and Shem youngest, so my assumptions are based on Shem oldest, Ham second, and the same consideration given for all other times sons are listed is they are listed in order.

I assume the case for Isaac over Ishmael is about infidelity.

Esau and Jacob, not a clue what's up there other than possibly that woman again steps in front of YHWH God.

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Jul 14, 2013
Who Are the Descendants of Ham?
by: confused

I only see a part of Africa (Ethiopia which the bible refers to as Kish not Cush... and Egypt which are a mixed Shemite race as are the Assyrians/Syria) as being descended from Ham.

How with so many nations unaccounted for can you say truthfully that Ham fathered the entire continent which is made of many tribes tongues and nations? There are also many questions in regards to the Chinese and Japanese nations. These people do not look similar. How is it that you can say their ancestor is Ham?

I do not see that there is a lot of confusion in the spreading of the tribes of Noah's sons. It is easy to say that during the Tower of Babel, after continental drift (Peleg), the nations "scattered" into other countries, like the United States where the native Americans claim to have met giants (believed to be Canaanites of some sort) and destroyed them before settling in America.

Same for Australia and some islands - but difficult to think they would not occupy the land that is Africa, since it is so close to the tribes of Shem and Japheth, as well as Ham.

Feb 12, 2012
The Sons of Noah
by: Anonymous

Noah's sons: Ham was the father of the Africans, the Sheba tribe in Saudi Arabia and the Dedan-Dravidan tribe of India and Chinese.

Shem was the father of the Shemitic people who lived from the northern border of Egypt and south of Turkey and east to the Indus river.

Japheth was the father of the European peoples from the Ural region of Russia to Great Britain in ancient times.

Feb 11, 2012
Reply
by: James

@JD

Thanks for the reply. I've read so many different accounts of the age, I appreciate you helping me out.

I'm looking at the Holy Bible as a study document and not from a pure Religious view.

I've started to see the Holy Bible as being a highly redacted document. What's there is truth, but it's not the whole story. To me it's like a FOIA document.

One thing I do know is there's a lot I don't know.

I want to go to school to study and just haven't yet done so.

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