The Descendants of Seth as the Sons of God

by Jon H Benson
(Whitehall, PA USA)

There are at least a few people who believe that the reference to the sons of God, in Genesis, is a reference to the righteous descendants of Seth. Jesus refers to his followers as his brothers and sister, and as sons and daughters of God. So this need not refer to angels.

These people, having kept to the commandments of God, having abstained from the wantonness and lusts of the descendants of Cain, were still, to a greater extent, close to God's original creation in both physical and spiritual likeness.

As time went on, however, they became enamored of the women of Cain's line, and began to intermarry with them. In this way, the righteous were slowly being overcome by the wicked, even as the righteous Israel was led into sin by the trickery of Balaam. But the resulting offspring of these righteous men, bearing more lightly the curse than Cain's heirs, would likely have produced physically greater men, with all the lusts inherent in the unrighteous.

As for the idea of angels/demons procreating, Jesus, when answering the question put to him about marriage in heaven, says that when we get there we will be like the angels, who neither marry nor have children. It would seem unlikely that God have would allowed this intermingling, even if it was physically possible. And one has to assume that it would be the fallen angels that were responsible, since the righteous, unfallen angels would not be likely to be tempted to mate with human women.

If they had already resisted the temptation to join with Satan in his rebellion, it doesn't seem likely that they would fall prey to the wiles of fallen women, no matter what they looked like. The unfallen angels would have been able to see sin for what it truly is.

As for the sons of God in Job, the reference, again, could mean simply those of God's still righteous creation, those created by him, not at Earth's creation, but still created and unfallen. We are told that all heaven is witness to the events that happen on earth. This would seem to mean more than just the angels, but all of any of whatever worlds God has created.

As to why some of the references to the Nephilim seem like science fiction or fairy tales, one must remember that while WE believe in only one actual God, and angels, (fallen or unfallen), even the ten commandments says only that we should have no other gods above or before God, not that there are no other gods, because, to put God first, removes the power of other gods, real or imagined.



And certainly Satan would have used every opportunity to promote himself or his own angels as gods, even as he tried to do to Jesus during Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. So, even into New Testament times, mistaken ideas of just what the evil angels were capable of would likely have slipped into the writings of the Bible authors.

As for the giants of the post flood times, one must remember that Noah himself lived nearly to the time of Abraham, and his sons (and daughters?) lived well into Abraham's time. (I have seen at least one reference that opines that Melchizedek was likely Shem or Japheth, and this was why Abraham showed him the respect he did.) One should also remember the Epic of Gilgamesh (the following quote is from Wikipedia)

"In order to learn the secret of eternal life, Gilgamesh undertakes a long and perilous journey to find the immortal flood hero, Utnapishtim Noah. He learns that 'The life that you are seeking you will never find. When the gods created man they allotted to him death, but life they retained in their own keeping.' His fame however lived on after his death, because of his 'great building projects', and his account of what Utnapishtim told him happened during the flood."

To the people born after the flood, with their increasingly shortened life spans, Noah and his sons, and likely their immediate offspring, would have seemed to be immortal, since they would have outlived most men by many generations. Likely they were also much more robust physically than the post flood population, both in intellect and in actual size. People in that time might have truly believed that the gods lived among them. And it was Ham, the cursed one, whose descendants settled mainly in the area of Canaan, where much of their idolatry would affect God's chosen people, and those who wrote out the Bible.
And here also, the Nephilim, Raphaim, Anakim etc, rose up again, as some of Noah's offspring again fell into the temptation to copiously reproduce themselves. Ham, in fact, seems the likely source for that specific seed to have risen up in the Promised Land. So, again, it seems unnecessary to invoke angels or demons as the pro-creators of the giants.



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Jun 08, 2013
Perfection of Noah?
by: Anonymous

Num 23:21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.

This was said by Balaam when Balaak ordered him to curse Israel and Balaam could not. Yet Israel that left Egypt sinned so great they could not enter the promised land. And soon after this in chapter 25 the younger were guilty of spiritual fornication along with physical.

Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Noah sinned after the flood. He was not perfect. By comparison to others in the earth in that day he was the best of the lot.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Some reject the talk and the walk. Some talk the talk but do not walk the walk. Some talk it and walk it. They make their mistakes and step off the track, pay penalties, get back on track and keep running their race to the finish line and reward (Eternal Kingdom. and Phil 3:12). All men fall short, even overcomers.

The difference between those whose iniquities he keeps in remembrance, and those whose iniquities he chooses not to keep in remembrance is "The Walk". That which is blessed cannot be cursed. Even by this nephilim.

Jun 08, 2013
Wives of Joseph and Moses
by: Anonymous

Joseph married an Egyptian woman (daughter of an Egyptian priest) and Moses married a daughter of a Midianite priest.

Jun 08, 2013
Noah Being Righteous
by: Anonymous

First of all he was perfect in his generation. Not perfect, but as such when compared to the rest.
Being non-perfect He got very drunk afterward. He lay in his tent and his son Ham sees his nakedness but Ham's son Canaan is cursed!
To uncover a person is to have sex with them (Lev.18). A sexual sin was committed. And I believe Canaan is from whom the sodomites were descended.
It is not a sin to accidentally see your daddy or grandpa naked. So why a curse? And why Canaan instead of Ham?
Canaan committed the sin. Ham realized the sin and covered dad up and maybe tried to cover the sin up.

May 31, 2012
The Bible Says
by: Jon H Benson

And I quote, Gen. 6:9-13 (NIV)

"This is the account of Noah.

NOAH, was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people of the earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all the people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."


It is only really clear from the scriptures that NOAH was a righteous man. The nature of his wife, sons, and daughters-in-law we are either left without reference, or we are given specifics as to their behavior. For Ham we have been given specific evidence as to the fact that he was, at least is some respects, tainted by the sinfulness of the world. And yet, it is not unlike God to save the unrighteous for the sake of the righteous.

He was willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah, at Abraham's request, if even ten righteous men could be found in them. Hence, there is no basis for claiming, from the scriptures, that Noah's ENTIRE family was righteous.


May 31, 2012
The Descendants of Seth as the Sons of God
by: Louis (London)

Continued.....

Again:

Isaiah 11:12 "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."

The entire world is covered.

The bad genes of today is the genetic manipulation to clone humans or human-animal. This does not mean that the science of genetics is not a good thing. But to apply it so as to alter human nature and "create" a new kind of "human" is sinful and may result to real life Nephilims.

May 31, 2012
The Descendants of Seth as the Sons of God
by: Louis (London)

Hello Mr. Benson,

There is no such thing as "corrupted" or "good" genes in the scriptures amongst Noah's sons. It is clear from the scriptures that Noah's entire family was rigteous before the Most High. If you know of any verse in the bible that contradicts this please let us know.

The corrupted genes you are discussing has nothing to do with Ham or whoever but those who are today manipulating human and animal (and plants) genes to create human-animal/human souless clones in the laboratories of the world today. These are the actual culprits; and may fulfil the prophesy in our times that "there will be Nephilims after". Ham never did that.

It is recorded in the scriptures record thus:

Isaiah 11:11 "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea."

So you see that the Israelites are still in these lands which includes ancient Egypt and Cush as well as today's Iran, Iraq etc. The message is that none of God's creation can be considered "bad gene" unless manipulated upon.


Isaiah 11:16 "There will be a highway for the remnant of his people that is left from Assyria, as there was for Israel when they came up from Egypt."

We again see that the Most High has a bigger plan to unite all peoples.

Isaiah 19:24 "In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth."

The Most High is equating Israel, Egypt and Assyria. It is inmportant to note that no human is without sin. The important aspect is if one is prepared to seek the face of the most High and repent through the Messiah.

And:

"From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering." Zephaniah 3:10

The entire Africa is covered.


May 31, 2012
Curses -- Foiled again
by: Jon H Benson

For the record, I wasn't "blaming" Ham for the post flood Nephilim. But it was Ham's descendants who would fall fastest and farthest away from God, just as it was Cain's descendants who would fall away pre-flood. And it was from those who fell into unrighteousness that the righteous began taking wives, against GOD's better judgment. Hence, if I am "blaming" anyone, I am blaming the righteous sons of Noah and Adam, who who gave their less corrupted genes to nations unprepared to handle the resulting offspring, and who turned them into "gods" because of their superior physical and intellectual traits.

As to "why would the Most High allow his people to become a nation in the Land of Ham -- Egypt -- if Ham is responsible for "Nephilim"?" Israel was meant to be the earthly example of God's heavenly kingdom. The reason they "sinned , in that they demanded a king" is because it was intended that they would have God as their king.

They were meant to be a nation of priests. They were meant to lead the world out of sin, and back to God. So, God raised them up amidst, yes, a thoroughly pagan people, but also in a land (or lands, Egypt, Canaan or Babylon or wherever) where they would be in close contact with those people who needed them the most. While God intended that they should keep themselves pure, avoiding idolatry, and the lusts of the flesh that accompanied it etc, they were never intended to isolate themselves from the world. They were never supposed to look upon the Gentiles as undeserving of the love of God.

In fact, the various dispersions they suffered, would be the very means of spreading the Christian message in the early church, as even Paul went to the Jewish communities first, even after becoming the "apostle to the Gentiles." Even as God destroyed the Tower of Babel, so that men would not cling together but spread out across the earth, He also destroyed the "Babel" of the Jewish state, that they would disperse and spread His Word across the earth. And where He confounded the language at Babel, to cause confusion and separation, after His ascension, He gave them the gift of tongues, to drive out confusion, and to unite His children once again.

May 30, 2012
The Descendants of Seth as the Sons of God
by: Louis (London)

Mr. Benson,

You make a reasonable argument but unfortunately it does not work that way.

Blaming Ham for Nephilims does not hold. And why would the Most High allow his people to become a nation in the Land of Ham -- Egypt -- if Ham is responsible for "Nephilims"?

Ham was not cursed. This is wrong.

David wrote:

Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham. Psalms 105:23

Joseph married a Hamite, Asenath. Same too did Moses. So did Yahudah.

We have to be careful not to add onto the Word of the Most High.

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