The Ancient Path - Noahide

by Yhon Jetley-Marks
(UK)

Mankind is mankind - my point being that there are not different species of mankind, we are all human and basically all have the same needs, it does not matter what nationality we are or what color we are, we all need air, food, warmth, shelter, love, protection and choice et al.


Having been a Christian all my life - it is still a surprise to me that I began to question it all - and question it I did!

In the Christian religion alone there is such a plethora of different teaching, beliefs and denominations, they make your head spin. While on the other hand Judaism is the original of both of the world wide religions, including Islam. So I went back to the original and found there is no need for anything else, because God has made Himself known to mankind through Sinai and the Torah with their great leader and prophet Moses.

The Torah is not just for the Jews it is for all mankind, the Jewish Nation is called to be a Kingdom of Priests and to be a light to the nations. Nobody else!

Abraham, as all the other patriarchs, were Noahides, just as all Gentiles are Noahides, one does not become a Noahide if one is not a Jew he/she is a Noahide. Man has devised other beliefs and interpretations of God - however God did not devise another religion. He did not change his mind or give a new set of beliefs or rules to anybody else.

The Torah stands immutable, unchangeable and eternal and this is what we will be judged by.

After the Great Flood, Noah and his progeny were given 7 commandments to live by - which centuries later were incorporated into the Torah and they are in still full force.

There is only ONE God, and He is not divisable - He is singular, unique and separate from anything else. He can't and never will be come human - yet He fills all things, He created all things and is in control of all things. There is no need for a mediator - He is utterly approachable and there for all people. He has one son though plural Israel is singular and He is the God of Israel.

The god of the New Testament and the god of the Koran is not the God of Israel. And God never changes, nor does He change His mind on something so serious as the Torah. For the Torah is the Tree of Life and the blue print of this world and is eternal.

To change one word of the Torah is to cut one self off from the Tree of Life which is God Himself. Both Christianity and Islam have done this, they have changed and perverted the Holy Torah to deceive billions.

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Nov 11, 2011
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NOAHIDE
by: Yhon

Your are right God is absolute truth - and ONLY God, singular not plural.

Your are however totally incorrect to think that your so called Holy Spirit (part of the heathen trinity) is the teacher of men - this is NT rubbish. However, who HaShem has anointed is Israel, who are called to be a nation of priests and a light to the world; and their teachers are Rabbis.

There is nothing in the Torah about being born again, but there is a lot about obedience.

And yes, you can make a difference by seeking and following truth. Christianity is not truth!

On the lighter side, it is nice to meet someone older then me - and for 40 years I believed the Christian garbage. My gratitude to Hashem for seeing the truth and trying to follow the true God of Israel. The only thing stopping you seeing the truth is your pride ... it is hard to accept, but well worth the tumble.

Compare the Torah to the NT and you will find them a million miles apart. Judaism and Christianity are utterly incompatible.

Nov 11, 2011
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NOAHIDE
by: Yhon

The OT as you call it is NOT a book of living parables. And your delusion of believing this bears no reality to the NT is bordering on blasphemous - God is not creating man in His image - He HAS created man in His image.

The Torah is scripture, and it is the Tree of Life, the blue print of the world.

Your comprehension of the Tanach (OT)is abysmal - and best left to the Rabbi's who are inspired by God to understand - You from your statements on God's Word have no idea what it is about. And in the deluded state of Christianity you never will.

Believe what you may - but best keep your invented theology to yourself!

If it wasn't so sad - it would be laughable. However I am not laughing. Because it is tragic.

The only way to gain eternal life is not through idolatry and praying to a false god - it is through understanding what is required of you and obeying it.

Nov 11, 2011
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Noahide - response to sad!
by: Yhon

Well Spencer - I guess you like fairy tale too huh! The Everlasting Father is wonderful - however he is not JC - out of curiosity I wonder do you not think it strange in Isaiah 7:14 and Matt 1:23 that if this virgin of the NT conceives and her child's name shall be called Emmanuel - why he is addressed as Jesus?

Just to burst your Christian bubble, Isaiah 7:14 is not referring to JC - read the scripture carefully and you will see it cannot possible be referring to the future - also the correct understanding of the Isaiah 7:14 is that the woman in question was a young woman and not a virgin.

Your so called messiah - did change God's Holy Law and he fulfilled nothing, being crucified on a cross for sedition - is not the hall mark of the true Messiah.

It is your life so if you choose to believe the lies of Christianity - that is your choice. Your Jesus is idolatry, and in both the Torah and 7 Laws of Noah, idolatry is forbidden, which includes worshiping and praying to another god apart from the God of Israel.

There is in fact 613 laws in Judaism - the only way to number them is correctly!!

Your messiah cannot possibly be in the line of David, remember he was born of a virgin and in matters such as this the linage is carried on through the father. And Joseph was not his father - remember!! You can't have it both ways!!

Paul was a deluded fool and his teachings are based on mysticism and paganism - his contradictions are well recorded and to say there is none righteous is incorrect - your own NT declares people to be righteous! God gave one way to live and that was keeping His commandments.


Nov 11, 2011
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Old Testament
by: Robert Marshall

The old testament of the Bible is a book of living parables. God is giving us, in living form, the spiritual story that the new testament tells.The old testament is a physical picture of the new testament, which is a spiritual picture of eternal life to come.

All the examples and stories in the Bible are a history of God showing man how He is creating man in His image. If you read a book on theory you can see in your mind how things work according to the book you are reading. That is the old testament. The new testament is hands on proving that theory.

When a doctor goes to school for medicine, he reads books that tell him the procedures he must do to accomplish the task of being a doctor. Now he must take that knowledge and put it into practice. When he accomplishes that task then he will be a doctor.

When a Christian reads the old testament he sees what God is teaching him or her. When he reads the new testament he puts into practice what God has taught him or her in the old testament. God is preparing us for eternal life. We can't take that for ourselves, He has to change us or raise us from the dead and give us a body that is compatible with eternity. When He does that He gives us a new name, a new heaven and a new earth to live in, which at that time everything will be perfect.

We are in school now but when Jesus comes again school will be over. Then we will put into practice all that God has taught us.

Nov 10, 2011
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truth
by: Robert Marshall

I love a brother who knows the truth of God. This truth can only come from God. God is absolute truth and truthful absolutely. The Holy Spirit is the only one authorized by God to teach man the truth of God. Man can only get this truth if he is truly born again.

It is foolishness to anyone who is not born again. It doesn't matter if anyone doesn't believe this. Before 1939 I did not exist in this world, and after I die, again I will not exist in this world.

If there is a God and I am saved I will go to Heaven. If there is no God, and I live as though there is, I have hurt nobody. I live in ignorance about many things in this world. I can't name all the animals, or all the trees, or all the fish.

I can't speak another language. There are many foods I will never taste, many songs I will never hear, and many places I will never see. Man has the ability to learn many things in this world. Some one once said ignorance is bliss. There are a lot of blissful people in this world, of which I am one.

In my old age I recognize it wasn't bliss at all. It was peace that God gives beyond understanding.

Nov 10, 2011
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Sad
by: Spencer

Really? Emmanuel is insufficient for you? Wonderful, Counselor, Everlasting Father?

Are all these things insufficient? The Seed of the Woman? The Prophet spoken of by Moses, to whom all must listen or else be cut off?

The Blood of the Lamb? The true sacrifice? The provision in Isaac's place?

Christianity is fear? Deceit?

God Forbid. Messiah did not come to overthrow Torah, but rather to fulfill. Not one jot has passed, and all is fulfilled in Him.

There is no way but through Him. Noahide or not, seven commandments (?) Torah has 614, or ten depending upon how you number them.

Messiah is the King, line of David, Lion of Judah, Lamb of God. For as by one man sin and death entered into the world, so by one Man life. There is none righteous, not one, save God alone.

Emmanuel - God with us. Messiah, Son of God.

Nov 08, 2011
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Isaiah 9:6-7
by: Rex

For unto us a child is born, unto us a child is given: the government shall be on his shoulder. He shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God.... (Isaiah 9:6)

...There shall be peace to no end. He will establish it with judgement and justice from henceforth forever and ever....(Isaiah 9:7)

Even what is called the Old Testament-there is reference to the child the son of God for those searching for the truth in the Holy Bible.

Nov 07, 2011
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Anonymous
by: Robert Marshall

Guess we will have to wait for judgement day. See you there.

Nov 07, 2011
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The Ancient Path - Noahide
by: Anonymous

Robert - I simply do not agree with your understanding, or rather lack of understanding of the Torah - there is a massive contradiction of the Torah to the unreasonable NT, which is so far from the truth.

God is NOT working to do anything - He expects you to seek the truth and obey it - He has already made His WILL completely clear at Sinai - Seth was no different to any other man - he too was made in the image of God.

The Torah is the definite line - the NT is man made utterly devoid of God.

I do not expect you to agree, being an ex Christian I am aware of the indoctrination and fear that controls one.

Comments on your 2nd posting - God created ALL people and gave them the means to live by - the Torah.

You make God sound capricious - in your very wrong understanding of scripture. Jesus is NO where mentioned in the Torah/Tanach - he is a man contrived idol who serves no purpose at all. It is God we deal with and only God, no son and no trinity.

The Romans crucified this insubordinate, and he died like all flesh and remained dead. He has no purpose apart from deceiving millions! You read in your NT not in the Torah or Tanach. The slaying of a lamb before the foundation of the world is NT nonsense.

You quote God will not break his own law - and yet you believe the nonsense of the NT which does break God's laws and changed them to the lies you read today.

JC is nobody's substitute - how can a pagan creation pay for your sins ... you as everybody else is responsible for your own sins - and worshiping JC is idolatry - serious stuff here for you Christians.

God can and will never appear in the flesh - it is a NT pagan belief that is a lie. Born again is NT and has no truth in the Torah.

I apologise for not giving references - however should you require me to do so - I of course will, I am tired and it is late.

I pray your eyes will be opened before it is too late!

Yhon

Nov 07, 2011
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Noahide
by: Robert Marshall

In chapter 1 of Genesis verse 26 God said [ Let Us make man in our Image]. Since man sinned against God, Adam had a son named Seth, who was in the image of Adam not God. God is making man in His image and has been doing so for as long as man has been on this earth living in sin.

The process is complete at the end of time, not at the beginning. God is working to make man in His image through teaching man the difference between good and evil. Then the process will be done.

Nov 06, 2011
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Noahide
by: Robert Marshall

There is so much information as to what the Bible means. To put it simply, God is creating a people for Himself. God doesn't need anything to make Himself complete. The reason God created anything is because He could. The Bible says the flesh profits nothing. When Adam sinned against God he died spiritually. This was in Gods plan to so mankind would knew good and evil.What good would it be for man to be only good. That is all he would ever be. God has a lot of attributes, like mercy, forgiveness, compassion, and many others.

Where would God use these attributes if man was only good? There would be nothing to forgive. Romans chapter 8 verses 20 and 21. God wanted man to know good and evil. Abram was not Jewish when God chose Him. He could have chosen anyone to start the plan of redemption. God was giving man a picture of marriage with Himself the husband and Abram the bride.

Everyone after Adam was born spiritually dead. If the flesh profits nothing and we are spiritually dead where do we go from here. If God never saves anyone what would be the purpose of creation. He could have destroyed everything when Adam and Eve sinned against Him. But we read in the bible about the Lambs book of life slain before the foundation of the earth. If God did not create man then who would kill Jesus?

In Jeremiah chapter three God gives National Israel a certificate of divorce. In Romans chapter seven God says a woman is bound by the law to her husband until he dies. Since this is Gods law we have a dilemma here. God will not break His own law. According to God's law, God must die to dissolve the marriage to national Israel. Since God cannot die he must find a substitute to die for Him.

Since Jesus is God in the flesh and Jesus is our substitute, He is also a substitute for God. When Jesus died on the cross the marriage of God to national Israel was dissolved. When Jesus came out of the tomb He was then able to choose a new bride which was Spiritual. These are the born again people that God chooses to give eternal life to. Rev. 13 verse 8, and Rev. chapter 17 verse 8.

Nov 06, 2011
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Noahide
by: Rex

Genesis 1:26 God said let us make man in our image and likeness. (Us-God has a son who is the messiah)

Zechariah 12:10 (the surprise) they will look upon me whom they have pierced...(Christ was pierced by a Roman spear.)

There are true Christians whom love Israel and they are despised by everyone.

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